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Mantua, ca 1720, silk with metal lace, National Museum Norway, OK-dep-01160

Rate the Dress: 1720s green mantua

Thanks everyone for your support last week, and for showing that Rate the Dress was missed 💛  I didn’t manage a non Rate the Dress post last week, but at least I’m back with Rate the Dress!

This week’s we’re going back in time 200 years from last week to look at a mantua: a garment that started out as an informal alternative to fully boned bodices, and eventually evolved into the most iconic gown of the 18th century: the sacque.

Last week: a peachy pink 1920s dance frock

Well, you have have loved the return of Rate the Dress, but you weren’t so sure about the dress itself.  Some of you thought it was adorable, but some of you were very dubious about it, particularly about the gathered hip panels.

The gathered hip panels were actually my favourite part: they are such a ridiculous touch that is so typical of their era.  And I loved the dress, partly because it would have looked great on 18 year old me.  I was straight up and down – no curves at all to fight with the frills!

The Total: 7.6 out of 10

Not to everyone’s taste, but still a success.

This week: a 1720s mantua

If you’re a fan of early 18th century fashion, you’ll probably recognise this week’s Rate the Dress pick.  There are so few surviving examples of 1720s mantua that ‘the green one’ tells you everything you need to need to know to instantly identify it.  I generally try to avoid featuring very well known garments on Rate the Dress, but, when there are so few options for a decade, it would be a terrible pity not to feature a well photographed dress.

And this is a VERY well photographed dress.  You should definitely head over to the object listing at the National Museum of Norway to see a spinning 360 view, detailed photos of the petticoat (it’s lined in golden yellow! (although I’m not sure that’s original)) and stomacher, and best of all, inside views of the dress.  Be still my heart…

Of the full dress pictures, I particularly like that the museum shows us both the mantua with the skirts pinned up, and the mantua with the skirts down.  So fantastic if you’re trying to replicate a garment…

While the maker for this dress is unknown, we do know some things about the garment.  This type of brocaded silk, with its patterning that imitates lace, was a specialty of Lyons.  It definitely dates the dress to around 1720, as the fashion in brocaded silks moved from the bolder patterns of early ‘bizarre’ silks (read more about them here) to the more delicate designs that would characterise mid-18th century fabrics.

The delicate floral and lace design of the fabric is contrasted with the crisp pleating of that shapes the dress.

If this is like other mantua, the pleating is not just decorative, but fits the garment to the body with the absolute minimum of cutting to the fabric

What do you think?  Would a lady ca 1720 feel grand and gorgeous wearing this?

Rate the Dress on a Scale of 1 to 10

A reminder about rating — feel free to be critical if you don’t like a thing, but make sure that your comments aren’t actually insulting to those who do like a garment.  Phrase criticism as your opinion, rather than a flat fact. Our different tastes are what make Rate the Dress so interesting.  It’s no fun when a comment implies that anyone who doesn’t agree with it, or who would wear a garment, is totally lacking in taste.

As usual, nothing more complicated than a .5.  I also hugely appreciate it if you only do one rating, and set it on a line at the very end of your comment.

Evening dress, 1920s, Crepe chiffon over silk satin with lame ribbon applique and fine inserted edging, rhinestones, corded silk rosettes and gathered peach chiffon cascades sold by Augusta Auctions, June 2023

Rate the Dress: 20s crepe chiffon and bows

It’s been 11 months since I’ve done a Rate the Dress post.  It’s just been an incredibly rubbish couple of years for me, and I haven’t had the mental focus needed to produce two well thought-out blog posts every week, which is what’s required for a consistent Rate the Dress + this not being an only Rate the Dress blog .

I’d really like to get back in to it, and I’m trying.  I’m hoping that if I fake being OK, eventually my brain will remember how to actually be OK again.

So, what I’ve done is written not one, but FIVE rate the dress posts.  Then all I need to do is tally up the points each week, and hopefully I’ll feel well enough at least one week to write another one, and get back on track!  So, enjoy a RTD for the next five weeks, at least…

Last weeks (year’s) rating: a 1780s formal gown in embroidered silk

Remember that dress?  It was inspired by the Angelica pattern launch, and featured elaborate embroidery and ruffled trim on a very restrained, formal silhouette.  And most of you loooooooooved it.  In fact, you loved it so much it came in at…

The Total: 9.8 out of 10

Which is basically perfect in Rate the Dress terms!

This week:

This was the dress that inspired me to get back in to Rate the Dress posts, because I think it has so many interesting elements to consider:

Evening dress, 1920s, Crepe chiffon over silk satin with lame ribbon applique and fine inserted edging, rhinestones, corded silk rosettes and gathered peach chiffon cascades sold by Augusta Auctions, June 2023

Evening dress, 1920s, Crepe chiffon over silk satin with lame ribbon appliqué and fine inserted edging, rhinestones, corded silk rosettes and gathered peach chiffon cascades sold by Augusta Auctions, June 2023

The three-dimensional bow applique!  The mix of palest peach, darker peach, and touches of pink and blue.

Evening dress, 1920s, Crepe chiffon over silk satin with lame ribbon applique and fine inserted edging, rhinestones, corded silk rosettes and gathered peach chiffon cascades sold by Augusta Auctions, June 2023

Evening dress, 1920s, Crepe chiffon over silk satin with lame ribbon appliqué and fine inserted edging, rhinestones, corded silk rosettes and gathered peach chiffon cascades sold by Augusta Auctions, June 2023

The gathered panels of chiffon in darker peach, and the rhinestone trim.

Evening dress, 1920s, Crepe chiffon over silk satin with lame ribbon applique and fine inserted edging, rhinestones, corded silk rosettes and gathered peach chiffon cascades sold by Augusta Auctions, June 2023

Evening dress, 1920s, Crepe chiffon over silk satin with lame ribbon appliqué and fine inserted edging, rhinestones, corded silk rosettes and gathered peach chiffon cascades sold by Augusta Auctions, June 2023

It’s definitely very youthful.  A young woman’s party dress that mixes Edwardian sweetness and attention to detail with playful 20s sensibilities.

Evening dress, 1920s, Crepe chiffon over silk satin with lame ribbon applique and fine inserted edging, rhinestones, corded silk rosettes and gathered peach chiffon cascades sold by Augusta Auctions, June 2023

Evening dress, 1920s, Crepe chiffon over silk satin with lame ribbon appliqué and fine inserted edging, rhinestones, corded silk rosettes and gathered peach chiffon cascades sold by Augusta Auctions, June 2023

What do you think?  Is this the perfect flapper dress, in the truest sense of a flapper: a young girl testing out the world?

Evening dress, 1920s, Crepe chiffon over silk satin with lame ribbon applique and fine inserted edging, rhinestones, corded silk rosettes and gathered peach chiffon cascades sold by Augusta Auctions, June 2023

Evening dress, 1920s, Crepe chiffon over silk satin with lame ribbon appliqué and fine inserted edging, rhinestones, corded silk rosettes and gathered peach chiffon cascades sold by Augusta Auctions, June 2023

What do you think?

Rate the Dress on a Scale of 1 to 10

A reminder about rating — feel free to be critical if you don’t like a thing, but make sure that your comments aren’t actually insulting to those who do like a garment.  Phrase criticism as your opinion, rather than a flat fact. Our different tastes are what make Rate the Dress so interesting.  It’s no fun when a comment implies that anyone who doesn’t agree with it, or who would wear a garment, is totally lacking in taste.

As usual, nothing more complicated than a .5.  I also hugely appreciate it if you only do one rating, and set it on a line at the very end of your comment.

Theresa in all the ruffles

Whenever my dear friend Theresa comes to Wellington we dress up together and do a photoshoot.  We’ve been doing this for 12 years now!

She was here back in April, and I offered her a whole range of things from my historical wardrobe, but obviously she picked the 1760s frou frou francaise.  I mean, who wouldn’t?

Theresa modelling a 1760s style robe a la francaise thedreamstress.com

It’s silk taffeta covered in ruffles and lace, and there’s an equally ruffly Marie Mantle to pair with it.  What’s not to love?

Theresa modelling a 1760s style robe a la francaise thedreamstress.com

And doesn’t she look spectacular in it!

Theresa modelling a 1760s style robe a la francaise thedreamstress.com

Also, I’m very proud of what I achieved with her hair.  I think it’s my best attempt at late 1760s/early 1770s hair yet.  I still feel like it’s more accident than actual learned skill when I get 18th c hair right, but every time I do it it gets a little bit better.

Theresa modelling a 1760s style robe a la francaise thedreamstress.com

For the photoshoot, we went up to the Sir Truby King gardens, which are is still one of my favourite places to take photos, even if King was wildly problematic, and most of the really lovely brickwork that made the gardens special has now been fenced off or demolished because it’s an earthquake risk.

Theresa modelling a 1760s style robe a la francaise thedreamstress.com

We’d originally planned to go to the Botanical Gardens, which I haven’t shot at with Theresa since our very first photoshoot, but I was tired and worn out after getting dressed.   So we settled for not fighting crowds of people to find parks, and not dealing with a bunch of people asking to take photos, and had a lovely time (mostly) to ourselves at the much quieter STK’s

Theresa modelling a 1760s style robe a la francaise thedreamstress.com

It’s amazing to think about how many times we’ve done this.  It’s a little different every time, but always a delight.

Theresa modelling a 1760s style robe a la francaise thedreamstress.com

And that’s because Theresa is a delight.  I am so lucky to have such a wonderful, generous, supportive friend.  And because she’s so wonderful, I’ve finally fulfilled her request and made her her own tag on my blog!  (it should lead to all the other photoshoots I’ve done with her)

Theresa modelling a 1760s style robe a la francaise thedreamstress.com

Here’s to lots more photoshoots with this gorgeous lady!  Maybe next time we’ll be together in Sydney again

Theresa modelling a 1760s style robe a la francaise thedreamstress.com