Scroop Patterns

The Aidah vs the Angelica: what’s different

The Scroop + Virgils Fine Goods Aidah Gown scrooppatterns.com

We’ve just launched the Scroop + Virgil’s Fine Goods Aidah Gown pattern, and I’ve introduced it as the ‘sister’ pattern to the Angelica Gown.  There is a lot in common between the two pattterns: they cover the same timeperiod, are both Italian gowns, and they have interchangeable elements.

But, like real sisters (or at least my sisters – the youngest likes to say of me: “she’s nothing like me“), they are also very much their own distinct individuals.

Three women in 18th century dress: a blond in cobalt blue, a woman in a cap in floral, and an woman with auburn curls in black, stand together. The woman in blue looks at the other two, who look back at her

So, how are the patterns different?

In brief, they have:

  • Side seams (Angelica) vs no side seams (Aidah).
  • Different front necklines
  • Different front points/tab options
  • Different back necklines
  • One piece sleeves (Angelica) vs two piece sleeves (Aidah)
  • Different back point lengths
  • Different seaming in the four-panel back option
  • Different front-fastening options: lacing for the Angelica, hooked or pinned for the Aidah
  • Different construction details in the instructions whenever there were multiple historically accurate options for how to construct an Italian Gown – we picked one technique for each pattern.

I’ll go into each of these differences in detail below.

Here’s a helpful overlay of the pattern line drawings to show the differences.  The Angelica is in pink, the Aidah is in black:

Our goal with making the Aidah pattern was to make it as different from the Angelica in cut and construction while still having elements, like the sleeves and fronts/backs, that you could mix between the two patterns, to have as many options as possible if you had both patterns.

The Differences:

Side Seams:

The biggest difference between the two patterns, although it’s one that is very subtle in the line drawings, is that the Angelica has a side seam, and the Aidah does not.  So the Angelica is constructed with a front piece and a separate side-back piece, while the Aidah has a front piece that wraps around and joins the back with no side seam.

Both options are accurate ways to pattern an Italian Gown, but they result in very different pattern pieces.

The lack of side seam means the Aidah is a faster make (one less piece to cut and seam to sew actually makes quite a difference!), but the Angelica is easier to fit and adjust.

If you’re new to 18th century fitting I’d actually recommend starting with the Angelica, as the side seam makes it an easier pattern to adjust.

The Scroop + Virgils Fine Goods Aidah Gown scrooppatterns.com

The Aidah Gown: See Ma, no seam!

Front Fastenings:

The second biggest (or at least, most obvious) difference between the two patterns is how they fasten.  The Angelica features an interior lacing, with flaps that hide the laced fastening.

Image shows the interior of an 18th century gown in gold striped silk

The hidden front lacing of the Angelica Gown

The Aidah has instructions for a pinned-front closure (the most common closure in the 18th century) or a hooked front closure (a less common closure, but one that did exist, and one that is easier to do if you’re not used to pins).

Georgian Frolics in the country thedreamstress.com

Angelica View B (purple check) with a hooked fastening borrowed from the Aidah, next to an Angelica View A (floral).

Here’s an Angelica gown (View B, in lilac checked linen) made with the hooked front instructions from the Aidah, to check that the instructions are transferable across the two patterns.

Sleeves:

Another major difference between the two patterns is sleeves.  The Angelica has a single-piece sleeve with an elbow dart for shape.  The Aidah has a two-piece sleeve.  The two piece sleeve allowed us to include three sleeve lengths in the Aidah, including a full length sleeve (the pattern includes a detailed discussion of the historical accuracy – or not- of this length).

The Scroop + Virgils Fine Goods Aidah Gown scrooppatterns.com

Aidah View B with full length sleeves

The Front Neckline:

The Angelica gown has a scooped curve that joins the shoulder straps at an angle.  The Aidah, on the other hand, has a straighter, squarer neckline, with straps that join the neckline with almost no upward curve of the neckline.

The Scroop Patterns + Virgils Fine Goods Angelica Gown 1775-1790 scrooppatterns.com

The Angelica Gown, with its more scooped out neckline

The Front & Waist Edge:

The difference between the View B Aidah and the Angelica is super obvious.  The Aidah has a tabbed front, with the option of a cutaway effect.

A blond woman with her hair styled high above her head in a 1780s style stands facing straight on. She holds a flower in her right hand, and is looking down on it. She is wearing a late 18th century dress in cobalt blue silk with a fitted bodice with tabs below the waist, full skirt, 3/4 sleeves, and a white ruffle around the low square neck.

Aidah View B with tabbed front and cuttaway effect

While it’s not as immediately obvious,  the View A Aidah is also different to the Angelica.

The View A Aidah’s point is longer and less abrupt than the View A Angelica, and shorter and curvier than the View B Angelica.  It also comes to a slightly pointier and less squared-off point than either Angelica view.

Compare this:

A fair skinned woman in a ruffly white cap topped with a bow stands in 3/4 view, her head turned over her left shoulder. She is wearing a late 18th century dress in bright florals on white with a fitted bodice with a blue bow at the bust, full skirt, elbow length sleeves, a white fichu filling in the neck, and a teal skirt. Her right hand picks up her floral overskirt, and her left is resting on a dark cane with a silver handle.

Aidah View A

To this:

The Scroop Patterns + Virgils Fine Goods Angelica Gown 1775-1790 scrooppatterns.com

Angelica View A

The Back & Back Neckline:

The Aidah has a lower back neckline than the Angelica, with the straps meeting the neck edge in an almost straight line, compared to the steep angle of the Angelica back:

The Scroop + Virgils Fine Goods Aidah Gown scrooppatterns.com

Aidah View B with a four-panel back

The Scroop Patterns + Virgils Fine Goods Angelica Gown 1775-1790 scrooppatterns.com

Angelica View A with a four-panel back

The Angelica also has a deeper back point than the Aidah, and the four-panel Angelica back features curved lines that swoop in and out at the waist, whereas the seams of the four-panel Aidah a head straight down in a V.

Constructions:

Finally, wherever possible we tried to cover different construction techniques in the Aidah and Angelica patterns, so if you have both you’d know a whole new set of techniques which could be applied to other 18th century garments.

This does mean that the Aidah is a HEFTY pattern.  With two front fastening options, a cutaway option, and the rather tricky tabbed front of View B, it has a full 8 pages of instructions more than the Angelica (44 to the Angelicas 36), and an additional page of fitting instructions.

Georgian Frolics in the country thedreamstress.com

Even with all the differences, we were determined to make sure that the Aidah and Angelica still had enough points in common that they could be mixed and matched.  You can switch the sleeves between both patterns.  You can also pair the Angelica front with the Aidah back at the side-back seams, and vice versa.

So mix and match, buy either, buy both.

Whatever you do, either pattern will give you all the information you need to make an absolutely stunning Italian gown!

The Scroop + Virgils Fine Goods Aidah Gown scrooppatterns.com

5 Comments

  1. Thank you so much for this! I can only justify buying one of the patterns and couldn’t figure out which was going to be my best option. Seeing all the differences here has been immensely helpful! I still want both, lol, but now I know which I’m going to start with!

  2. Thank you so much for making this comparison post!! It really helped me decide between the two and to see why you published them as separate patterns. At first glance they seemed so similar, I was frustrated that they were each their own full price pattern, but it definitely makes sense now. So much thought and care went into these two patterns to make them different and yet compatible. 🙂 Looking forward to buying the Angelica and making myself a beautiful gown!

    • So glad it was helpful!

      Yes, it’s definitely one of those things where the end result looks similar, but how you get there, and the effect that has on fit, and making and wearing the garments, is actually really different.

  3. Margarida says

    Thank you so much for this. I’m currently working on my PHD project, which aims to make the permanent exhibition of the Portuguese Museum of Costume more inclusive. One of the measures to be implemented is to have pieces that can be handled integrated in the exhibition course, including some re-creations of historical costumes. This is especially important in the case of people with visual impairment, but the pieces will be available to anyone who wants to touch them.
    One of the costumes that will be re-created for this project is precisely an Italian Gown, and I’m going to make it through one of your patterns. Being blind myself, I was a bit uncertain as to the differences between the two, so this was very helpful indeed! Now I know which one I’ll buy 😀
    Thank you!

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